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    There seems to be done kind of input by Ferrari so perhaps that Ferrari unit will stay....I take it they still have Ferrari engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasst View Post
    I'm sure I heard somewhere that Sauber will be having the Honda power plant next year, yeah the one that was so good in the McLaren !!
    No. Toro Rosso are going with the Honda power plant. If they can sort out the issues expect to see it in the Red Bull cars going forward.

    Part of the AR/Sauber deal is that Sauber will get the 2018 Ferrari engine labelled as an Alfa Romeo engine.
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    Thanks Mick, knew it was one of the lesser teams, all I can say is good luck Toro Rosso, your going to kneed it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasst View Post
    Thanks Mick, knew it was one of the lesser teams, all I can say is good luck Toro Rosso, your going to kneed it!
    Its actually a canny ploy by RedBull. TR is there to develop drivers so seeing what they can do with an engine with less power might be good information for the team. If Honda can get it right, after the complete rethink at the start of the 2017 season, it will give RedBull a shot at a new engine before the rules change and they have the potential of an AM one. Interesting politics in F1 as always.
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    I feel you will see the Honda engine come on next season. In the TR they will be able to run it at the lower power to match their chassis and drivers.

    In the McLaren its been better in the last quarter of the season.

    The word is that the reason its failing was due to vibration at full power which basically shakes the thing till it blows and adds too much stress to the other components. If they can get over that it will be a descent unit but yes, its been a total waste of time in the Macca and the work is the Macca chassis is brilliant so with Renault power expect to see them a regular on the front 3 rows of the grid.

    Renault have an uncanny knack of winning throughout history with their engines then withdraw when there is nothing further to prove. I see this as making F1 potentially very exciting over the next few seasons and there will be 3 engines all capable or winning races.


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    Red Bull certainly have a plan to try and develop the Honda engine in the TR so that the have an alternative engine if and when Renault pull out or indeed if the Honda engine comes on form. Having a back up team to run / test it in is a perfect idea one that other teams are discussing - there is talk of Mercedes creating a junior team for there up and coming drivers and now that Ferrari have something similar with the Sauber / Alfa team I can see it happening sooner rather than later.
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    LOL:

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/maserat...to-formula-one

    it’s just branding nonsense. I als heard that Jeep will sponsor Force India so the cars are more robust to allow the team mates to drive into each other more and keep going.
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    So will there be Ferrari engineers in the Haas pits wearing Maserati shirts in the same way there will be Ferrari engineers in the Sauber pit wearing Alfa shirts?

    Kind of scuppers the cheaper engines thing really.
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    It's cheap advertising for both Alfa and Maserati so should help perceived brand value and unit sales. However, it sound like it will be very different for the teams than having a watch brand sponsorship; i.e. its money exchange rather than knowledge exchange.
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