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If you scroll back through Dr Armstrong's videos, you'll see that he explains this in most of his early videos especially. I posted his daily video here on page 22 or 23 ish.
From memory (don't quote me) there are three important variables. Transmission rate or the Ro number, the percentage lethality and where you are on the risk spectrum.
The R nought number for COVID19 is similar (so far) to that of the 1917/18 Spanish Flu pandemic. This means that a very large percentage of the population is going to contract the virus. Especially given the way we are much much more mobile now, than we were a century ago.
Yes, the percentage of lethality averages around 2%. But when you calculate say, 2% of the 66 million UK population this is roughly one and a third million deaths. Obviously not everyone will become infected. BUT, if you fall into one of the high risk groups, then the mortality rate goes up considerably. For those over 60 ish and those with suppressed immune systems, I think the death rate was quoted a week or so ago, as about 10% or higher.
Given that our hospitals are in many instances barely coping right now, with normal demands.
So the A&Es aren't swamped and every hospital becomes a massive petri dish, I suspect that those with symptoms will be told to self quarantine.
If you're in a high risk group and you need intensive care, you're probably not going to get it.
The elderly are economically inactive anyway, so the government isn't going to expend many resources to try to keep them alive.
The government will be forced to implement a triage system, but outside health facilities (not inside) and are probably preparing, not to battle the spread of the virus in any meaningful way, but to dispose of all the extra bodies quickly, before other pandemics are created.
If you go to YouTube and search for John or Dr Armstrong and watch a few of his videos, you'll very quickly know as much as any other member of the public about this pandemic.
We ARE in a pandemic situation. The WHO and governments are playing with words so as not to alarm their citizens, otherwise in many countries there'd be a rolling breakdown of law and order.
My memory of all the things John Armstrong said is sketchy, because I'm in a high risk group (suppressed immunity) and focused on myself.
I just know that I've heard quite enough by now, to decide to be able to self quarantine, if need be. I'll be doing a big shop of non-perishables and everything else needed, tomorrow. I would've done it yesterday, but the Rangy was with my mechanic.
Bottom line. If you were in government, what would you do. Faced with a rapidly spreading virus, with a known kill rate. Force as many infected to self quarantine, as possible and preserve most of your police and armed forces, as well as medical facilities, or? There is no, or? The above is the only way to deal with this.
It's what every other country with significant outbreaks is reportedly doing.
 

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Can anyone explain to me why the World Health Organisation and worldwide Govts are so worried about coronavirus which has a typical mortality rate of just 2% vs normal winter flu virus which has a mortality rate of 1%? I can understand the concerns with viruses like SARS which had a mortality rate of 10% and MERS which was even higher but I just don't get the panic stations over coronavirus unless we are not seeing the true story yet and the mortality rates are much much higher. The story just doesn't stack up....
You and me both... people are just plain silly... you are still more likely to die in a car crash on the way to stock up in case the end of the world is nigh.
 
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You and me both... people are just plain silly... you are still more likely to die in a car crash on the way to stock up in case the end of the world is nigh.
SARS and MERS (from memory) were quite hard to contract. The high death rates, stopped them from spreading, before the authorities could isolate all those infected. They might've needed a carrier to actually cough in your mouth, for you to contract those viruses.
In comparison, COVID19 is extremely infectious. Authorities believe that it can survive for days (at least) on surfaces and you can breath it in from a person's exhaled breath, even if they're standing a few meters away.
Plus, this virus is infectious, BEFORE you experience symptoms. Possibly after you're ill also. So, by the time you self quarantine, you'll already have spread it.
Its a real ball buster of a virus and there's no way to deal with it. A cure won't be available this year.
 
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It’s been reported that severe cases of Covid19 have required up to 3 weeks on a respirator.

How many does the nhs have........

Prepared and under control indeed.

What makes me squirm is that the NHS reckon they can handle 100 cases..anyone else who is ill after this level has been exceeded will be dealt with at home on a lower priority basis!!

Just had 111 on the phone saying we don’t need to self isolate and that 4/5 people will show normal flu symptoms and that unless you have a weakened immune system all will be fine.. that conflicts with the doctors who were fit and died a grim death!
 

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Seem to be popular at the moment.
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The crazy thing about Surgeons masks is that they keep the germs in and are meant to stop the Surgeon from infecting patients etc.. the N95 (DIY/ painting hardware store) masks are actually better at preventing germs from being inhaled BUT as they get damp the spores of the VIRUS cling to the outside of the mask and upon removal end up on ones hands... plus the fact that the SARS virus can also attack via the eyes membrane renders them usless unless used in conjunction with wrap around glasses / Wattie’s Swimming goggles!
 

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SARS and MERS (from memory) were quite hard to contract. The high death rates, stopped them from spreading, before the authorities could isolate all those infected. They might've needed a carrier to actually cough in your mouth, for you to contract those viruses.
In comparison, COVID19 is extremely infectious. Authorities believe that it can survive for days (at least) on surfaces and you can breath it in from a person's exhaled breath, even if they're standing a few meters away.
Plus, this virus is infectious, BEFORE you experience symptoms. Possibly after you're ill also. So, by the time you self quarantine, you'll already have spread it.
Its a real ball buster of a virus and there's no way to deal with it. A cure won't be available this year.


Just said that!
 
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Phil, to be fair. The medical staff who contracted it and died, had probably compromised their immune systems through sheer hard work. There are reports from China and Iran (I think) of medical staff collapsing from exhaustion.
According to what I've heard from John Armstrong so far (check his vids) unless you're well over 60 or have a serious preexisting condition, you ought to only experience mild symptoms. I wouldn't say this, if Armstrong hadn't been explicit on this point.
 

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That report has since been removed! Or, it appeared that way when I clicked on your link Wattie.
Link error, check back in about 15mins.


Meanwhile this is worth a read.

The death rate statement is interesting.
 

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You and me both... people are just plain silly... you are still more likely to die in a car crash on the way to stock up in case the end of the world is nigh.
I think this a blasé remark and would urge everyone to reasses how prepared they are - just in case.
Your government will never confess the true severity of this situation. It can’t.
 

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I think it's a far more appropriate remark. While I will happily concede (well not happily) that things are getting worse, you probably need to start stockpiling exclamation marks.

Perhaps consider quite what's going to happen if you really need three month's food....

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I think it's a far more appropriate remark. While I will happily concede (well not happily) that things are getting worse, you probably need to start stockpiling exclamation marks.

Perhaps consider quite what's going to happen if you really need three month's food....

C
At what point do those not alarmed start taking this seriously? 100 Uk cases, 200, 1000?
What’s your trigger?
 
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The crazy thing about Surgeons masks is that they keep the germs in and are meant to stop the Surgeon from infecting patients etc.. the N95 (DIY/ painting hardware store) masks are actually better at preventing germs from being inhaled BUT as they get damp the spores of the VIRUS cling to the outside of the mask and upon removal end up on ones hands... plus the fact that the SARS virus can also attack via the eyes membrane renders them usless unless used in conjunction with wrap around glasses / Wattie’s Swimming goggles!
Yep. I read somewhere that the virus will attach to clothes, the same as any other surface.
So, like going into or coming out of a Level 4 laboratory, if this thing takes hold in our localities,
it seems that we'll need to design a simple routine for going out and coming back in to our homes,
so that we minimise the chances of carrying the virus in with us.

I really really hope this pandemic doesn't mimic the spread of Spanish Flu. According to the Chinese
government, the virus has plateaued there, in terms of spread and numbers infected.
Without transparency on their part, I just don't trust them.
My antipathy for everything the Chinese government says, does and stands for, beginning with Tibet;
has only increased throughout my life.
 

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Not buying into the media hype over this but some clarity about figures would be useful. Initially when the figures came from China only the mortality rate was just over 1%, comparative to flu figures really. The recent figures from Italy and Iran suggest it is nearly 4% so is it just we have got better at linking deaths to the virus?
 

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The wife has just pointed out that part of today’s essential doomsday shop, was a bottle of JD for me and Southern Comfort for her... :):) Don’t know what we will have for the extra 13 days....
I’m loading up in these shares tommorrow.....

Fray Bentos pies, use to love them as a kid might send the boss to see if we can find them over here.

Not buying into most of these doom and gloom merchants but as Jan is over might do a cheese & wine provisions shop just in case, all good on the whisk(e)y (without or without the E) front and there are plenty of sheep and cattle in the field behind the house. Now just need the office to tell me to stay at home
 
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