Auto Italia is in need of some V12 Ferraris

Italiano

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Unfortunately I will never be in a privileged position to buy a Ferrari but if I was, would be the 812 but spec'd with comfy touring seats, not the carbon option that everyone seems to go for.
Like all beautiful cars, they need to be driven, not stored in a dark garage, and i would certainly drive mine, as I do my QP6, my daily car.
 
MrMickS

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Italiano said:
Unfortunately I will never be in a privileged position to buy a Ferrari but if I was, would be the 812 but spec'd with comfy touring seats, not the carbon option that everyone seems to go for.
Like all beautiful cars, they need to be driven, not stored in a dark garage, and i would certainly drive mine, as I do my QP6, my daily car.
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You'd be hard pressed to get one without lots of carbon specced on it. As was discussed in an earlier thread, right or wrong, this is the way that Ferrari operate their order book.

I'd love an 812 as well, a real weapon of a car, but I'm so far away from being able to buy one, never mind run one, it will have to remain a dream. So at the moment I'm looking at the older cars wistfully whilst still not being brave enough to go for it.

I think you'd be surprised at the running cost similarities between a low end Ferrari and the QP6. The servicing on my Cali isn't that much more than either the Ghibli or Levante. Other consumables are similarly priced, a little more but not a multiple as people might fear.

As for driving it. I've had the car two years and doubled the original 19,000 miles, and a bit more. They are meant to be driven.
 
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...oddly, among the parts that are shared between the 4200s and some F cars, the F car parts are often both cheaper and available.

I would love a 12 cyl F car...just needs three pedals.
 
Italiano

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MrMickS said:
You'd be hard pressed to get one without lots of carbon specced on it. As was discussed in an earlier thread, right or wrong, this is the way that Ferrari operate their order book.

I'd love an 812 as well, a real weapon of a car, but I'm so far away from being able to buy one, never mind run one, it will have to remain a dream. So at the moment I'm looking at the older cars wistfully whilst still not being brave enough to go for it.

I think you'd be surprised at the running cost similarities between a low end Ferrari and the QP6. The servicing on my Cali isn't that much more than either the Ghibli or Levante. Other consumables are similarly priced, a little more but not a multiple as people might fear.

As for driving it. I've had the car two years and doubled the original 19,000 miles, and a bit more. They are meant to be driven.
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And as I live in ULEZ, the car availability pool has shrunk.....:mad:
 
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Italiano said:
And as I live in ULEZ, the car availability pool has shrunk.....:mad:
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My qpv is early and doesn't meet ulez but has the lower road tax being 05 reg, which goes to some way to justify keeping it regardless. I didn't use it that much to start with and I may end up using it differently (less frequently and more meaningfully) since starting it costs now £13 from the get go.
 
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Ewan said:
I took these pics at a car show I visited in my 400 a week or so back. The styling of V12 Ferraris has changed quite a lot over the last 50 years (and to my eyes, not for the better).
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I must admit, don't like going back in time when buying cars, you get use to gadgets and improved refinements as the years go on.
I'm definitely a person that likes the newer things.
 
CatmanV2

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I must admit, don't like going back in time when buying cars, you get use to gadgets and improved refinements as the years go on.
I'm definitely a person that likes the newer things.
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I'm with you on that. Sorry not going without my tilting mirrors, rear camera, sat nav, ABS, PAS and a million other things.
I'd still buy another GT at the drop of a hat, but that infocenter would need an immediate upgrade.

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I really don't care about all this tech stuff, nothing wrong with setting the mirror by hand or looking behind me when I reverse, don't even overly care about ABS and PAS because as older cars are generally lighter and have narrow tyres neither are show stoppers in my book. I love the analog feel of both the Fulvia and the Giulietta even over the SZ.

Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with modern stuff but in my view its just convenience
 
Ewan

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A few modern conveniences on a daily driver (especially if used in a city or for commuting) are quite useful. But for an occasional classic or weekend fun car, they are unnecessary to me. I can't imagine anyone wanting (let alone needing) tilting mirrors, cameras, etc on a 1970's Ferrari. That would be defeating part of the object of owning a classic car. But I do get that classics aren't everyone's cup of tea.

Can you imagine fitting an "infocenter" to the beautiful interior of a classic Ghibli or a Miura? Sacrilege!

My Westfield is definitely a gizmo-free zone! Certainly no ABS or PAS or LSD (let alone tilting mirrors, cameras, parking sensors, heated seats, radio/hi-fi, etc). The only switches are for the lights, rear fog light, wipers and indicators. And a button for the horn. But with 8 cylinders, 250bhp, a weight of 750kg and a manual gearbox, it's about the most fun you can have on 4 wheels.
 
Italiano

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Ewan said:
A few modern conveniences on a daily driver (especially if used in a city or for commuting) are quite useful. But for an occasional classic or weekend fun car, they are unnecessary to me. I can't imagine anyone wanting (let alone needing) tilting mirrors, cameras, etc on a 1970's Ferrari. That would be defeating part of the object of owning a classic car. But I do get that classics aren't everyone's cup of tea.

Can you imagine fitting an "infocenter" to the beautiful interior of a classic Ghibli or a Miura? Sacrilege!

My Westfield is definitely a gizmo-free zone! Certainly no ABS or PAS or LSD (let alone tilting mirrors, cameras, parking sensors, heated seats, radio/hi-fi, etc). The only switches are for the lights, rear fog light, wipers and indicators. And a button for the horn. But with 8 cylinders, 250bhp, a weight of 750kg and a manual gearbox, it's about the most fun you can have on 4 wheels.
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That's the word I was looking for, I'm not a classic car owner type, but yes I agree everyone's tastes are different
 
CatmanV2

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Ewan said:
Can you imagine fitting an "infocenter" to the beautiful interior of a classic Ghibli or a Miura? Sacrilege!
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Of course! But some of us don't have toy cars, we need a compromise. ****, if I wasn't compromising there's no way on earth I'd have a 4 door car.... and that's hardly a 'convenience' ;)

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CatmanV2 said:
Of course! But some of us don't have toy cars, we need a compromise. ****, if I wasn't compromising there's no way on earth I'd have a 4 door car.... and that's hardly a 'convenience' ;)

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But 4 doors is a convenience. 4 people fit easily it my GT and I daily it. Loads of room to climb in and out for any able bodied person. 2 doors is doable daily, 4 doors is just more ”convenient” ;)
 
CatmanV2

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But 4 doors is a convenience. 4 people fit easily it my GT and I daily it. Loads of room to climb in and out for any able bodied person. 2 doors is doable daily, 4 doors is just more ”convenient” ;)
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Yeah, I should have put 'modern convenience'. And they're not able bodied :(

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