Phil H
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Great value 166 daily driver? Look cool for less!
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Wrong actually. Do you know SOGA? If a dealer sells a vehicle then it has to be fit for purpose. 3 months is a minimum for any car sold by a motor trader. Good luck selling it for spares or parts.
The way I see it is this, regardless of age or cost you should still sell it as a running car and support the customer should anything go wrong in that first few months.
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All explained here in much less words than a 37 page document.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/consumer-rights/
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/consumer-rights/
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Trade Sales that aren’t.
The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002 gives buyers of relatively new used cars who pay a full retail price a virtual guarantee of 6 months from the date of sale by assuming that any fault that occurs with the vehicle within 6 months was already developing at the date of purchase. You have occasionally mentioned dealers attempting to get around these regulations by calling a sale that obviously is not, a "trade sale". A "trade sale" implies that the customer is a trader with some knowledge of the car trade who is buying the car to re-sell. In reality this phrase is meaningless. It is not possible for two contracting parties to agree to avoid the effects of the consumer protection legislation (even if they wanted to). Obviously, if the car is sold to an ordinary private individual at a retail price, then its status as a "trade sale" for legal purposes needs to be challenged and precedents set in the courts to guide judgements in other such cases.
The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002 gives buyers of relatively new used cars who pay a full retail price a virtual guarantee of 6 months from the date of sale by assuming that any fault that occurs with the vehicle within 6 months was already developing at the date of purchase. You have occasionally mentioned dealers attempting to get around these regulations by calling a sale that obviously is not, a "trade sale". A "trade sale" implies that the customer is a trader with some knowledge of the car trade who is buying the car to re-sell. In reality this phrase is meaningless. It is not possible for two contracting parties to agree to avoid the effects of the consumer protection legislation (even if they wanted to). Obviously, if the car is sold to an ordinary private individual at a retail price, then its status as a "trade sale" for legal purposes needs to be challenged and precedents set in the courts to guide judgements in other such cases.
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'relatively new'
'retail price'
Implication that there is no precendent as yet.
Point 1 does not apply to a 13 year old car.
Retail price? What *exactly* is the retail price for that car?
No precedent set.
In short, about as much use as so much of his stuff, I fear.
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'retail price'
Implication that there is no precendent as yet.
Point 1 does not apply to a 13 year old car.
Retail price? What *exactly* is the retail price for that car?
No precedent set.
In short, about as much use as so much of his stuff, I fear.
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We understand the SOGA Contigo. All of our standard retail cars came with warranties and subject to (at least) statutory 6 months recourse under the SOGA. The specific difficulty we find is when we have cars which are taken in part exchange and are clearly fit for purpose but, given their age, mileage and often negligible value allow us little room to market them in the same way we market our other cars. We could scrap them ourselves but we feel that would be a waste. We sell them in the knowledge that they are road worthy and advertise them without any frills. The description and any subsequent dialogue with a potential buyer is always concise and clear. We are selling the car at a "trade price", almost always below the price of anything similar. If a potential buyer is looking for some peace of mind in their next car purchase then this type of car is most definitely not for them but if they are a car enthusiast, an Alfa fan or indeed someone who appreciates what little £1k will buy them, then perhaps it might be, Alistair ADG
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I can see where you're coming from Alistair, ie being completely up front about said car, but I believe regardless of this, the car is being sold as a roadworthy vehicle must be fit for purpose, further more you can't actually sign away your rights as a buyer.
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If you said that in the AD in the first place then it would have been enough. The words "SOLD AS SEEN" immediately made me think that there is a problem with the car and even now I wouldn't touch it which is a shame as it really does look like alot of car for the money. It's not just me who thinks like that just look at the thread on Pistonheads about this very car. This car also comes with the same statutory 6 month recourse even if you write "Trade sale" or "Sold as seen" on the ad. That's the point I'm making. Imagine if this car blows up one week after sale. Where would the owner stand then even if they came back to you and you said "sorry sold as seen"? They would have the same rights regardless of whether the car cost £700 or £70k. If I was selling a car like this I'd simply not even mention the words which I see have now been removed from the original ad.
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Good one Phil....so what did it confirm after 37 pages??!!
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It confirms a dealer's responsibilities and consumer rights under law. If a buyer resorts to legal recourse, a court will take more notice of 37 pages of formal guidance than of 37,000 pages of well-intended but uninformed internet opinion.
For alternative redresss there is apparently Plan B, but this is a nice forum so we won't mention him.
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Had one just like that. Bought it for 6k in 2004 after handing back my final company car before going it alone. Always wanted one as a company car but no one would let me! Depreciation put paid to that!
Had it for a year and sold it for 3k! 50% depreciation in 12 months. Loved it though.
Had it for a year and sold it for 3k! 50% depreciation in 12 months. Loved it though.
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The 166 is a great car for everyday driving, it is comfortable and a nice place to be. They don't handle like the 155 or 164 both of which are awesome for 4 door fwd saloons but that doesn't distract from them. Rear suspension can be a weak point but other than that normal Alfa electrics.
I am contemplating buying another but I would want the V6 version, preferably 3.0 Manual at around this price.
I am contemplating buying another but I would want the V6 version, preferably 3.0 Manual at around this price.
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