Ferrari Brave Pill

BJL

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After owning a few F cars over the years and listening to all the chit chat from people dressed in red from top to toe who think they are cool looking like a bill boards I have deduced that for anyone dipping into the Ferrari brand on a budget you have to consider what you want from it? Kudos, driving pleasure, investment, garage queen or just an itch that needs scratching.

Basically all V12s upto the FF are analogue and are expensive to run with the 612 averaging around 13-14 mpg. Some will say they got 20 mpg on a run but who wants to drive at 60mph on the autobahns. Good looking car but feels big and not the easiest to move on when the time comes. Late ones in Black or Grey still have a good market though as they improved noticeably.

599s are very rapid and very thirsty and expensive to maintain, Clutches are expensive and can last 10k miles or 60k miles very much dependant on how you pull away plus reversing up hill can make the clutch smell really hot. A proper brute of a car that looks incredible and sounds like an F1 car on full chat. Not the sort of Ferrari to buy on a budget as provenance is everything so cheap ones are going to be a very expensive itch to scratch.
Early FFs are now sub 100k but can start to cost an absolute fortune if not properly looked after. Particular issues are with the PTU or front gearbox which if the car has been thrashed is 35k to replace but indies now offer replacements at around 8k. 2014 cars are better than early ones as in all cases they get better.
Great driving experience and price has bottomed out but cheap ones are cheap for a reason.

The easiest and least painful Ferrari to get into is the California from 2009 onwards, Bullet proof V8 engines, twin clutch gearbox that rarely has issues, folding tin top made by webasto for Ferrari and rarely has any issue that cannot be sorted. Plenty quick enough especially with the DMS upgrade that sweetens the whole thing out nicely and 20 plus mpg normal driving. Bottomed out now at 65-70k for early ones and still look good in Grey or Black. Servicing is no more expensive than a Maser and great to drive Plus always a market for the right colour combo.

360s are OK but feel very dated compared to the 430s which are great to drive and reasonably reliable plus plenty to choose from but the Go Cart feel to the driving is not as restful on a journey as many may hope.

458s are thought by many to be the best thing they have made, especially the Spider. Brilliant car with award winning engine and twin clutch box, fantastic sound track and more than enough power. Totally bullet proof and have bottomed out with many now thinking the last naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari could be a collectable. Tour de France Blue with Silver roof looks stunning.

Many may disagree with all that but it's just my tuppence worth
 
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After owning a few F cars over the years and listening to all the chit chat from people dressed in red from top to toe who think they are cool looking like a bill boards I have deduced that for anyone dipping into the Ferrari brand on a budget you have to consider what you want from it? Kudos, driving pleasure, investment, garage queen or just an itch that needs scratching.

Basically all V12s upto the FF are analogue and are expensive to run with the 612 averaging around 13-14 mpg. Some will say they got 20 mpg on a run but who wants to drive at 60mph on the autobahns. Good looking car but feels big and not the easiest to move on when the time comes. Late ones in Black or Grey still have a good market though as they improved noticeably.

599s are very rapid and very thirsty and expensive to maintain, Clutches are expensive and can last 10k miles or 60k miles very much dependant on how you pull away plus reversing up hill can make the clutch smell really hot. A proper brute of a car that looks incredible and sounds like an F1 car on full chat. Not the sort of Ferrari to buy on a budget as provenance is everything so cheap ones are going to be a very expensive itch to scratch.
Early FFs are now sub 100k but can start to cost an absolute fortune if not properly looked after. Particular issues are with the PTU or front gearbox which if the car has been thrashed is 35k to replace but indies now offer replacements at around 8k. 2014 cars are better than early ones as in all cases they get better.
Great driving experience and price has bottomed out but cheap ones are cheap for a reason.

The easiest and least painful Ferrari to get into is the California from 2009 onwards, Bullet proof V8 engines, twin clutch gearbox that rarely has issues, folding tin top made by webasto for Ferrari and rarely has any issue that cannot be sorted. Plenty quick enough especially with the DMS upgrade that sweetens the whole thing out nicely and 20 plus mpg normal driving. Bottomed out now at 65-70k for early ones and still look good in Grey or Black. Servicing is no more expensive than a Maser and great to drive Plus always a market for the right colour combo.

360s are OK but feel very dated compared to the 430s which are great to drive and reasonably reliable plus plenty to choose from but the Go Cart feel to the driving is not as restful on a journey as many may hope.

458s are thought by many to be the best thing they have made, especially the Spider. Brilliant car with award winning engine and twin clutch box, fantastic sound track and more than enough power. Totally bullet proof and have bottomed out with many now thinking the last naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari could be a collectable. Tour de France Blue with Silver roof looks stunning.

Many may disagree with all that but it's just my tuppence worth
Interesting read! What's your take on the robustness of the California folding roof mech - did it get better in later years, or with the 'T' flavour? The specialist I use tells me he mandates that, when a customer drops off a Cali for a service, that the roof is not actuated whilst in his possession - because that's typically when it goes wrong, and then the specialist is accountable/responsible for fixing it.
 

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After owning a few F cars over the years and listening to all the chit chat from people dressed in red from top to toe who think they are cool looking like a bill boards I have deduced that for anyone dipping into the Ferrari brand on a budget you have to consider what you want from it? Kudos, driving pleasure, investment, garage queen or just an itch that needs scratching.

Basically all V12s upto the FF are analogue and are expensive to run with the 612 averaging around 13-14 mpg. Some will say they got 20 mpg on a run but who wants to drive at 60mph on the autobahns. Good looking car but feels big and not the easiest to move on when the time comes. Late ones in Black or Grey still have a good market though as they improved noticeably.

599s are very rapid and very thirsty and expensive to maintain, Clutches are expensive and can last 10k miles or 60k miles very much dependant on how you pull away plus reversing up hill can make the clutch smell really hot. A proper brute of a car that looks incredible and sounds like an F1 car on full chat. Not the sort of Ferrari to buy on a budget as provenance is everything so cheap ones are going to be a very expensive itch to scratch.
Early FFs are now sub 100k but can start to cost an absolute fortune if not properly looked after. Particular issues are with the PTU or front gearbox which if the car has been thrashed is 35k to replace but indies now offer replacements at around 8k. 2014 cars are better than early ones as in all cases they get better.
Great driving experience and price has bottomed out but cheap ones are cheap for a reason.

The easiest and least painful Ferrari to get into is the California from 2009 onwards, Bullet proof V8 engines, twin clutch gearbox that rarely has issues, folding tin top made by webasto for Ferrari and rarely has any issue that cannot be sorted. Plenty quick enough especially with the DMS upgrade that sweetens the whole thing out nicely and 20 plus mpg normal driving. Bottomed out now at 65-70k for early ones and still look good in Grey or Black. Servicing is no more expensive than a Maser and great to drive Plus always a market for the right colour combo.

360s are OK but feel very dated compared to the 430s which are great to drive and reasonably reliable plus plenty to choose from but the Go Cart feel to the driving is not as restful on a journey as many may hope.

458s are thought by many to be the best thing they have made, especially the Spider. Brilliant car with award winning engine and twin clutch box, fantastic sound track and more than enough power. Totally bullet proof and have bottomed out with many now thinking the last naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari could be a collectable. Tour de France Blue with Silver roof looks stunning.

Many may disagree with all that but it's just my tuppence worth
My only Ferrari experience is my 458 Spider in Azzurro California (light blue) and it is absolutely lovely to drive and look at. I am very pleased with your conclusion, thank you.
I have a red Ferrari gilet, but that’s as far as it goes.
 

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My only Ferrari experience is my 458 Spider in Azzurro California (light blue) and it is absolutely lovely to drive and look at. I am very pleased with your conclusion, thank you.
I have a red Ferrari gilet, but that’s as far as it goes.
I have a Ferrari merkin. It's very soft.
 

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Interesting read! What's your take on the robustness of the California folding roof mech - did it get better in later years, or with the 'T' flavour? The specialist I use tells me he mandates that, when a customer drops off a Cali for a service, that the roof is not actuated whilst in his possession - because that's typically when it goes wrong, and then the specialist is accountable/responsible for fixing it.
Had no issues with my Cali roof and on Fchat California section it is not a regular problem. I suppose if you try to raise it whilst doing 30mph the strain may alter the alignment but that is a service item (roof function) when the main dealer has it or at least when mine had it. Complex it may be but well engineered.
The cali T feels quicker and more resolved but for the money as a first Ferrari the 09-12 Cali is a very safe bet.
 

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After owning a few F cars over the years and listening to all the chit chat from people dressed in red from top to toe who think they are cool looking like a bill boards I have deduced that for anyone dipping into the Ferrari brand on a budget you have to consider what you want from it? Kudos, driving pleasure, investment, garage queen or just an itch that needs scratching.

Basically all V12s upto the FF are analogue and are expensive to run with the 612 averaging around 13-14 mpg. Some will say they got 20 mpg on a run but who wants to drive at 60mph on the autobahns. Good looking car but feels big and not the easiest to move on when the time comes. Late ones in Black or Grey still have a good market though as they improved noticeably.

599s are very rapid and very thirsty and expensive to maintain, Clutches are expensive and can last 10k miles or 60k miles very much dependant on how you pull away plus reversing up hill can make the clutch smell really hot. A proper brute of a car that looks incredible and sounds like an F1 car on full chat. Not the sort of Ferrari to buy on a budget as provenance is everything so cheap ones are going to be a very expensive itch to scratch.
Early FFs are now sub 100k but can start to cost an absolute fortune if not properly looked after. Particular issues are with the PTU or front gearbox which if the car has been thrashed is 35k to replace but indies now offer replacements at around 8k. 2014 cars are better than early ones as in all cases they get better.
Great driving experience and price has bottomed out but cheap ones are cheap for a reason.

The easiest and least painful Ferrari to get into is the California from 2009 onwards, Bullet proof V8 engines, twin clutch gearbox that rarely has issues, folding tin top made by webasto for Ferrari and rarely has any issue that cannot be sorted. Plenty quick enough especially with the DMS upgrade that sweetens the whole thing out nicely and 20 plus mpg normal driving. Bottomed out now at 65-70k for early ones and still look good in Grey or Black. Servicing is no more expensive than a Maser and great to drive Plus always a market for the right colour combo.

360s are OK but feel very dated compared to the 430s which are great to drive and reasonably reliable plus plenty to choose from but the Go Cart feel to the driving is not as restful on a journey as many may hope.

458s are thought by many to be the best thing they have made, especially the Spider. Brilliant car with award winning engine and twin clutch box, fantastic sound track and more than enough power. Totally bullet proof and have bottomed out with many now thinking the last naturally aspirated V8 Ferrari could be a collectable. Tour de France Blue with Silver roof looks stunning.

Many may disagree with all that but it's just my tuppence worth
Well said.
Can’t agree entirely with the 360 comments, but then I’m biased. Yes, the 430 interior is fresher and it does have an extra 80 bhp.
It’s not as pretty though (in my opinion) and the F1 wail has gone completely.
If you send a 360 to AV Engineering and implement the engine re-timing plus the ECU upgrade, you’re running 450 bhp with a sports exhaust, plus far better low down torque and drive ability and it’s a very close call versus 430 in terms of performance.

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There's a chap on Piston Heads who recently sold all his cars to go down to just one, to rid himself of multiple car tax, multiple insurance, multiple service schedules etc. Sensible enough.
So, what did he chose as his new one-and-only car, for daily use and to fulfill all vehicular duties?

A 1980 Ferrari 400i. Obviously!!!!

He's keeping a log and posting regular updates. And before you ask, so far, so good.

What a hero.
 

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Well said.
Can’t agree entirely with the 360 comments, but then I’m biased. Yes, the 430 interior is fresher and it does have an extra 80 bhp.
It’s not as pretty though (in my opinion) and the F1 wail has gone completely.
If you send a 360 to AV Engineering and implement the engine re-timing plus the ECU upgrade, you’re running 450 bhp with a sports exhaust, plus far better low down torque and drive ability and it’s a very close call versus 430 in terms of performance.

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Agreed. To my eyes the 360 is by far the prettier car, both inside and out. I'd happily have another 360, but would have no interest in having a 430.
 

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Post script: forget about the Ferrari shirt brigade ‘oh they break down and are not reliable, cost a fortune to run etc’
I daily drove mine through central London for years. Never missed a beat, and not once let me down or stranded in 22 years!
(Now on 185,000 km)



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Though at the other end of the scale, my 360 blew its engine in traffic on the Kings Road the day I collected it!
I put it down it down to bad luck, and it was covered by the warranty anyway. Went on to be a great car, hence me being happy to have another, all be it some two decades later.
 

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Interesting read! What's your take on the robustness of the California folding roof mech - did it get better in later years, or with the 'T' flavour? The specialist I use tells me he mandates that, when a customer drops off a Cali for a service, that the roof is not actuated whilst in his possession - because that's typically when it goes wrong, and then the specialist is accountable/responsible for fixing it.
I've had two issues with actuating the roof.

The first was the boot being left open after the roof was opened/closed. This was tracked down to loose things in the boot. You need to be careful with loading things into the boot so that nothing has a chance of getting stuck and preventing the boot shutting properly.

The second is faulty/dirty parking sensors. The system uses these to determine if there is room behind the car to operate. I've been told that if you continue to hold the button it overrides it, but haven't found that to be the case.

Other than that I've had no issues. My detailer always actuates the roof to clean the car completely. It never occurred to me that there was a risk there.

As a balding guy, I own more than a couple of baseball caps. In my Maserati lives… my Alfa Romeo hat :)
I have a couple of Pininfarina hats. They work for pretty much everything ;)

On a general note. The costs of running my Cali are similar to those running the previous Maserati. The only real difference is that I use 20-30% more fuel. I'd love to scratch the V12 itch, but so far I'm not that brave.
 
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I hear you!

My problem is that I look like a dick .....

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I have the wonderful ability to not care what I look like.

I trimmed my beard last week for the first time since September I think, at which point, it was simply a massively unkempt mess of hair sprouting from my face (it still grows there!!).
Perhaps somewhere in my head, I felt there was a sort of a Magnus Walker vibe going on as I stepped into my Maserati, especially with my taste for worn jeans, t-shirts and the caps, but I expect the reality was more like I took desert island discs too literally or simply local tramp .
Regardless, not a care in the world ;)