lisknik
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Lol
I knows, that's why I be keeping me options open, did see a nice one in Italy on car & classic a while ago, now if I only had a passport............
I want another 33!!
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I knows, that's why I be keeping me options open, did see a nice one in Italy on car & classic a while ago, now if I only had a passport............
Supercharged16v
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Right, regarding the versions....
First Alfa 33 that was produced, with the heater vents popping up from the dashboard, was the S1
Then came the second version of that car, which is known as the S2, with lower suspension, front anti roll bar (most S1's didnt have one at all) , alloy wheels, plastic dashboard with the heater vents in it rather than above it, different interior, power windows located where the gear stick is - rather than high up on the centre console of the dashboard.
Different wiring, different engine cams/valves etc etc.
Power output of the S2 was higher than the S1. Got 105 bhp rather than the 95 bhp out of the 1.5 ltr of the S1.
So I suppose its clear why its considered an S2 rather than a facelift.
Then, the S3 came up !
Production of that started late 1989, most of them were sold from 1990 onwards.
Now the S3 was a completely different 33 !
- Galvanized
- Interior
- Dashboard
- Factory A/C
- Power Steering
- Optional ABS
- Different front and rear ends
- Strengthened engine bay
- Different engine ranges, 1.4 carby, 1.5 injection, 1.7 8v injection , 1.7 16v injection
All of these S3 33's produced between 1989 and early 1993 were NON CAT and the 16v produced 137 bhp.
Also all of them came with BOGE front suspension with a 4 bolt top mount and cylinder type springs.
Finally, came the S3 built after the emission regulations started in 1993 ( actually the regulations started applying since 1992 but Alfa Romeo delayed it a year )
So I suppose the CAT versions can be considered the "S3 Facelift"?
Those came with reduced horsepower - 132 bhp on the 16v
No AFM, just MAF in the ECU and a sensor on the inlet.
Throttle position Sensor instead of Throttle position Switch, different injectors, all with CAT and lamda sensors and FINALLY the SPICA front suspension with CONE type springs and 3 bolt top mounts, which allowed the car to sit higher and stiffer, reduced the bodyroll of the first S3's, but the car sat higher than a Landrover !
Problem with the CAT versions .....well "problem" ..... is Not so much the reduction of output (the 5 bhp less) as is the lack of feel and throttle response.
Believe me when I say.... there is A HUGE difference between the CAT and normal version of the S3.
So, to sum things up, IMHO, you either need to get a NON CAT 16v 33, OR a 1.5 Ti S2 !
Most fun guaranteed
Ideally, you could get the S2 (which is almost 150 Kg lighter), put a 16v engine in it out of an S3 (non cat), keep the gearbox of the S2 Ti (shorter) and POSSIBLY convert it into carbs !
Sorry for the long response
First Alfa 33 that was produced, with the heater vents popping up from the dashboard, was the S1
Then came the second version of that car, which is known as the S2, with lower suspension, front anti roll bar (most S1's didnt have one at all) , alloy wheels, plastic dashboard with the heater vents in it rather than above it, different interior, power windows located where the gear stick is - rather than high up on the centre console of the dashboard.
Different wiring, different engine cams/valves etc etc.
Power output of the S2 was higher than the S1. Got 105 bhp rather than the 95 bhp out of the 1.5 ltr of the S1.
So I suppose its clear why its considered an S2 rather than a facelift.
Then, the S3 came up !
Production of that started late 1989, most of them were sold from 1990 onwards.
Now the S3 was a completely different 33 !
- Galvanized
- Interior
- Dashboard
- Factory A/C
- Power Steering
- Optional ABS
- Different front and rear ends
- Strengthened engine bay
- Different engine ranges, 1.4 carby, 1.5 injection, 1.7 8v injection , 1.7 16v injection
All of these S3 33's produced between 1989 and early 1993 were NON CAT and the 16v produced 137 bhp.
Also all of them came with BOGE front suspension with a 4 bolt top mount and cylinder type springs.
Finally, came the S3 built after the emission regulations started in 1993 ( actually the regulations started applying since 1992 but Alfa Romeo delayed it a year
) So I suppose the CAT versions can be considered the "S3 Facelift"?
Those came with reduced horsepower - 132 bhp on the 16v
No AFM, just MAF in the ECU and a sensor on the inlet.
Throttle position Sensor instead of Throttle position Switch, different injectors, all with CAT and lamda sensors and FINALLY the SPICA front suspension with CONE type springs and 3 bolt top mounts, which allowed the car to sit higher and stiffer, reduced the bodyroll of the first S3's, but the car sat higher than a Landrover !
Problem with the CAT versions .....well "problem" ..... is Not so much the reduction of output (the 5 bhp less) as is the lack of feel and throttle response.
Believe me when I say.... there is A HUGE difference between the CAT and normal version of the S3.
So, to sum things up, IMHO, you either need to get a NON CAT 16v 33, OR a 1.5 Ti S2 !
Most fun guaranteed
Ideally, you could get the S2 (which is almost 150 Kg lighter), put a 16v engine in it out of an S3 (non cat), keep the gearbox of the S2 Ti (shorter) and POSSIBLY convert it into carbs !
Sorry for the long response
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Not a problem mate, I just hope I cleared out some issues
The nice thing about 33's Sprints and Suds, is that MOST parts are interchangeable with little or no modifications needed,
so whatever you get, you can pretty much transform it to what you want.
I've been playing with 33's and boxer Alfas for years now, so now that my own 33 is pretty much finished, if I was to do it all over again, YES I would do the same on my S3 33 , OR get a nice S2 with the Veloce bodykit and transplant a 16v in it and play with that
The nice thing about 33's Sprints and Suds, is that MOST parts are interchangeable with little or no modifications needed,
so whatever you get, you can pretty much transform it to what you want.
I've been playing with 33's and boxer Alfas for years now, so now that my own 33 is pretty much finished, if I was to do it all over again, YES I would do the same on my S3 33 , OR get a nice S2 with the Veloce bodykit and transplant a 16v in it and play with that
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Sorry, a guy called Dicky on another forum has been giving me advise. He know his stuff and told me that if the front suspension turrets have 3 bolts that are galvanised cars, any with 4 bolts are not, regardless of having rust or not.
As I said, I have been watching your car for a while, its nice.
Reading your post above, you are saying that yours is a 4 bolt, non cat, galvanised car, is that correct?...I am confused now.
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conaero
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Right, regarding the versions....
First Alfa 33 that was produced, with the heater vents popping up from the dashboard, was the S1
Then came the second version of that car, which is known as the S2, with lower suspension, front anti roll bar (most S1's didnt have one at all) , alloy wheels, plastic dashboard with the heater vents in it rather than above it, different interior, power windows located where the gear stick is - rather than high up on the centre console of the dashboard.
Different wiring, different engine cams/valves etc etc.
Power output of the S2 was higher than the S1. Got 105 bhp rather than the 95 bhp out of the 1.5 ltr of the S1.
So I suppose its clear why its considered an S2 rather than a facelift.
Then, the S3 came up !
Production of that started late 1989, most of them were sold from 1990 onwards.
Now the S3 was a completely different 33 !
- Galvanized
- Interior
- Dashboard
- Factory A/C
- Power Steering
- Optional ABS
- Different front and rear ends
- Strengthened engine bay
- Different engine ranges, 1.4 carby, 1.5 injection, 1.7 8v injection , 1.7 16v injection
All of these S3 33's produced between 1989 and early 1993 were NON CAT and the 16v produced 137 bhp.
Also all of them came with BOGE front suspension with a 4 bolt top mount and cylinder type springs.
Finally, came the S3 built after the emission regulations started in 1993 ( actually the regulations started applying since 1992 but Alfa Romeo delayed it a year
So I suppose the CAT versions can be considered the "S3 Facelift"?
Those came with reduced horsepower - 132 bhp on the 16v
No AFM, just MAF in the ECU and a sensor on the inlet.
Throttle position Sensor instead of Throttle position Switch, different injectors, all with CAT and lamda sensors and FINALLY the SPICA front suspension with CONE type springs and 3 bolt top mounts, which allowed the car to sit higher and stiffer, reduced the bodyroll of the first S3's, but the car sat higher than a Landrover !
Problem with the CAT versions .....well "problem" ..... is Not so much the reduction of output (the 5 bhp less) as is the lack of feel and throttle response.
Believe me when I say.... there is A HUGE difference between the CAT and normal version of the S3.
So, to sum things up, IMHO, you either need to get a NON CAT 16v 33, OR a 1.5 Ti S2 !
Most fun guaranteed
Ideally, you could get the S2 (which is almost 150 Kg lighter), put a 16v engine in it out of an S3 (non cat), keep the gearbox of the S2 Ti (shorter) and POSSIBLY convert it into carbs !
Sorry for the long response
No need to apologise, we are all learning here.
vantastic
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Correct, from 1990 they are all galvanised
Also a nice site with lots of info for you to read
http://www.berlinasportivo.com/pages/Mag_alfa33.php
conaero
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Cool, thanks Van for clearing that up.
So tell us a bit more about your car?
Is it still up for sale, what price you are after (or will actually take) and any issues, rust (sorry, had to ask) general condition and am I correct there was a syncro issue from one of your ads on another board a while back?
...and all the positives too, mileage, viscous coupling and are there any work around when or if these fail as I understand, they are prone to going and there is no supply of new ones?
Why not bung an advert up in the forum cars for sale forum.
So tell us a bit more about your car?
Is it still up for sale, what price you are after (or will actually take) and any issues, rust (sorry, had to ask) general condition and am I correct there was a syncro issue from one of your ads on another board a while back?
...and all the positives too, mileage, viscous coupling and are there any work around when or if these fail as I understand, they are prone to going and there is no supply of new ones?
Why not bung an advert up in the forum cars for sale forum.
vantastic
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2nd gear syncro is a bit crunchy if your in low revs, no crunch at high revs so its fine once you know how to drive it, I also have 2 spare with the magnetic difs, one is refurbed and will be sold with the car, I have not changed it as it still runs fine
Little clip of a thrash, you cant hear 2nd gear crunch at all
and plenty of pics here
http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anydoo/library/Fratellino P4 33?sort=3&page=1
Little clip of a thrash, you cant hear 2nd gear crunch at all
and plenty of pics here
http://s8.photobucket.com/user/anydoo/library/Fratellino P4 33?sort=3&page=1
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vantastic
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Thats the magnetic bit, the one on the car is fine and have 2 spare
also was PH news
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1226135&nmt=
also was PH news
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1226135&nmt=
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Just found this intriguing one on ebay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1985-ALFA...-PURPLE-/271311131055?clk_rvr_id=541304807946
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Supercharged16v
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Dicky is a good guy, I know him from other forums
I do agree that from 1990 onwards they were all galvanized - but to clear something out, 1990 - 1995 (production of the 33) as stated, they are all galvanized.
However, 1990 to 1993 they came with 4 bolts suspension, 1993 to 1995 (CAT models) which were galvanized as well, they came with 3 bolts suspension.
To be completely honest, I fail to see why this conversion from 4 bolts to 3 bolts occurred !
The only issue the 33 had with the front suspension , was/is the camber settings when you lower it.
That said, I would expect them to do something suiting lower suspension. They made it for a higher suspension ! hahaha
I do agree that from 1990 onwards they were all galvanized - but to clear something out, 1990 - 1995 (production of the 33) as stated, they are all galvanized.
However, 1990 to 1993 they came with 4 bolts suspension, 1993 to 1995 (CAT models) which were galvanized as well, they came with 3 bolts suspension.
To be completely honest, I fail to see why this conversion from 4 bolts to 3 bolts occurred !
The only issue the 33 had with the front suspension , was/is the camber settings when you lower it.
That said, I would expect them to do something suiting lower suspension. They made it for a higher suspension ! hahaha
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Nice tidy one for sale here:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C422789
at a price which looks quite reasonable.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C422789
at a price which looks quite reasonable.