THE FUTURE vs THE PAST!!

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Ewan said:
When setting up my new Alpine on collection last Friday, the computer asked whether or not I wished to share the car data back with the factory. I ticked "no".

I used it a bit over the weekend, and it feels fabulous. But the running-in process (who even knew that was still a thing?) is a bit of a pain. Alpine request you keep below 3500 rpm for the first 1000km, and (from memory) below 5000 rpm for the following 1000km. That might take me a year! (Let's not even try to imagine how long it might take Safrane!!!!!)
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That’s a bit tricky… ! And if you don’t, the warranty is void..?( they probably still data log in the ecu to some extent, so ticking the ‘no’ box re: info sharing doesn’t avoid it) If one buys on finance, it’d be a brave man who ignores it.
There are more than a few valid arguments as to why running in can’t really be done like that. Perhaps even, shouldn’t be done that way….Think it’s a bit cheeky of them tbh.
Straight jacket at all…?
 
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For those of you wishing To get a clearer understanding of the data sharing issues, this is also worth a few minutes of your time….
 
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Ewan said:
When setting up my new Alpine on collection last Friday, the computer asked whether or not I wished to share the car data back with the factory. I ticked "no".

I used it a bit over the weekend, and it feels fabulous. But the running-in process (who even knew that was still a thing?) is a bit of a pain. Alpine request you keep below 3500 rpm for the first 1000km, and (from memory) below 5000 rpm for the following 1000km. That might take me a year! (Let's not even try to imagine how long it might take Safrane!!!!!)
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Love the A110, I think they have done a great job bringing it to the 21st century but keeping the ethos of the original.
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Guy said:
Horses for courses! For me the tricky one would be going somewhere just within range and hoping for no diversions! Given WLTP seems to overstate by around 20-30% I would suggest the usefuleness is up to around 100 miles from home maximum. @Ewan would you agree three years in?
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We use our EV for round-trip journeys of 200 miles or less. A distance which for us, I would guess at being at least 95% of our journeys.
We didn’t choose ours on range - there are EV’s with far better range (e.g. Tesla), but for us, range is virtually irrelevant. Plus you can charge so easily now, and often quickly. Lots of the new EV’s can add 200 miles of range (approx) in about 20 minutes, so it’s no big deal.
But I fully get that not everyone wants one, and that’s fine by me. I like me EV, but I like my Lambo, and my Aston, and my Ferrari, etc. But most of all, I like my hybrid Rangie. The one car that does that it all.
 
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TimR said:
That’s a bit tricky… ! And if you don’t, the warranty is void..?( they probably still data log in the ecu to some extent, so ticking the ‘no’ box re: info sharing doesn’t avoid it) If one buys on finance, it’d be a brave man who ignores it.
There are more than a few valid arguments as to why running in can’t really be done like that. Perhaps even, shouldn’t be done that way….Think it’s a bit cheeky of them tbh.
Straight jacket at all…?
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It has no affect on the warranty or finance. In fact I suspect it would fall foul of privacy laws if it did. So don’t panic, you’ve maybe just heard another conspiracy theory (that we can now debunk). By saying no it’s only the same as not accepting cookies when you visit a website. It just stops the harvesting of data.

As for the running in, I agree, a bit cheeky. Surely they‘ve run the engines in on a test bench already. And anyway, it’s not as if they advise an oil change after, say, 1000 miles. You can run until it’s end of year (free) service is due.
I intend to take it steady for while, and not stress the engine. Then have an oil change before slowly increasing the work rate/load. Seems the sensible way to proceed.
It does 80mph at 3000rpm in 7th gear anyway (so I’ve read, Officer!).
 
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Ewan said:
When setting up my new Alpine on collection last Friday, the computer asked whether or not I wished to share the car data back with the factory. I ticked "no".

I used it a bit over the weekend, and it feels fabulous. But the running-in process (who even knew that was still a thing?) is a bit of a pain. Alpine request you keep below 3500 rpm for the first 1000km, and (from memory) below 5000 rpm for the following 1000km. That might take me a year! (Let's not even try to imagine how long it might take Safrane!!!!!)
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A few years ago one of the German car mags did a test on two Porsche GT3 (I think it was 997 era) one followed the recommendations for running in and one didn't. They then put them on a dyno and there was 20bhp difference in favour of the one run in properly.
 
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A few years ago one of the German car mags did a test on two Porsche GT3 (I think it was 997 era) one followed the recommendations for running in and one didn't. They then put them on a dyno and there was 20bhp difference in favour of the one run in properly.
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Without any prescription of "properly" in that assertion, I think that it cannot be anything more than anecdotal. A mathematician will recognise a lack of robustness in the sample..
Ive seen an Alpine being road tested by some UTuber or other. Specifically, an S variant, with sub 1000 miles. He wasnt, I assure you, babying it. And remarked as to the willingness of the motor, speculating about the running in and further "freeing up" of the motor as it gets there....( equally anecdotal, perhaps. But I do wonder how Alpine approach the entire demo fleet running in dynamic?!?!)
Definitely agree running in makes sense. As to what that sense is, is less clear.
They dont make them like they used to. That surely is relevant..?
 
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I’ve just checked the handbook. The recommended running-in is keeping below 3500 rpm (and not to use full throttle) for the first 620 miles (1000 km), and then not to drive in a “sporty” fashion until 1860 miles (3000 km). And yes, they use the word sporty and put it in inverted comas!

The press + YouTube cars clearly get thrashed from the get-go, so maybe steer clear of those when looking for a second hand one. But you could say that about any car.
 
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lozcb said:
To be fair and unbiased you forgot to add the Jaguar will still have the ability to be running with average affordable maintenance in 20/30 years time , whereas the Genesis will have passed its expiry date once the battery has exceeded its limit , cost of replacing said battery will far out way the cars value ( probably by several times) probably inside 10 years, with the justification pushing EV's as all part of the greener option Im failing to see the logic , when far more of the worlds resources are being used up and having one way or another going to landfill at greater cost . I still to this day feel that we are all being led down the same Beta versus VHS path all over again where neither won through , logic says hydrogen is the way forward IMHO
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I am in the process of selling a 9 year old i3 which has 97% of new capacity in the main battery and no sign of any impending problems. Its chassis is carbon fibre and aluminium and the body panels are all plastic. It will outlive most ICE cars quite easily I suspect on its original battery. Battery issues are just petrol heads sticking their head in the sand I suspect. I am uncomfortably in both camps!!!
 
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keith said:
The other day I was parked in St John’s Wood in London.
Like so many drivers, I was taking advantage of the benefits of having an EV.
For me to park for four hours less than a Pound, plus no Congestion Charge.
For the driver of the Maserati parked behind, unless he was a resident - considerably more!!
Although looking at his front wing, he has got some far bigger bills to worry about!!
That said as of the 18th March, my smugness came to an end when City of Westminster hiked all the parking charges for EV’s, and from the end of next year the exemption from Congestion Charge also finishes!!
On a more serious note, I for one am certainly not environmentally conscious, but changed to an EV as it represents the future for car ownership, and all the technology that it brings. Probably because I’m shallow and materialistic, impressing passers by with the remote parking feature is an added bonus …
However it remains crazy that as someone who can afford an expensive new EV, I pay less in parking and driving in central London, than the driver of an older car who can’t afford to make the switch.
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I wish these Genesis EV's were a little cheaper as i have driven the old Genesis V8 saloon and it was a good car, really nicely made and the EV looks truly epic. I now have an EQC which i got because it was ludicrously quiet and comfortable and I hope will help with my wife's tinitus and hyper acousis issues. My driveway is the future and the past!!!
 
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Ewan said:
I’ve just checked the handbook. The recommended running-in is keeping below 3500 rpm (and not to use full throttle) for the first 620 miles (1000 km), and then not to drive in a “sporty” fashion until 1860 miles (3000 km). And yes, they use the word sporty and put it in inverted comas!

The press + YouTube cars clearly get thrashed from the get-go, so maybe steer clear of those when looking for a second hand one. But you could say that about any car.
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I had a neighbour in Milton Keynes whose sole role was to prep the cars to be used for the press/journo's for Mercedes , after he prepped them he would have to put 500 miles on the clock before they handed it over , ( nice work if you can get it ) he was always coming home with top end Mercs , always had loads of sets of ( so called free wheels and tyres ) in his garage as a perk of the job lol and probably a thriving ebay sideline if the truth was known
 
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davy83 said:
I am in the process of selling a 9 year old i3 which has 97% of new capacity in the main battery and no sign of any impending problems. Its chassis is carbon fibre and aluminium and the body panels are all plastic. It will outlive most ICE cars quite easily I suspect on its original battery. Battery issues are just petrol heads sticking their head in the sand I suspect. I am uncomfortably in both camps!!!
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According to Harry Metcalfes video on owning EV's (there are no companies that will/can confirm/advise with any guarantee the battery status) , which he says is why the EV used market is in such disarray and dealers not willing to touch them
 
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happydaze said:
.My Vauxhall 30-98 will be 100 years old next year. There's no reason why it won't last another 100 years. Recently it did a 1000 mile plus trip, without any problems.

New cars are made to last 10 years. I rest my case...
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Can do the next 100 years without any computer assistance and a basic tool kit everything on the Car can be taken apart and reassembled too.
 
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