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MarkMas said:
OK, I'll have a go.

Most Western countries will go through the peak level of hospitalisations and deaths over the next one to two months (maybe 3). Following this, sufficient numbers of people will have recovered from the illness (having had symptoms from nil to near death) and testing will be sufficiently available to demonstrate this. Only the vulnerable will need to maintain any level of isolation, despite the reduced level of infections, due to continuing risk to them if they did happen to get it. Death rates will be negligible in population terms, but the Press and citizenry will still report individual coronavirus tragedies, continuing to ignore the underlying population death rates.

Over the following 3 to 9 months (depending on country) most people will return to broadly normal life, although the very vulnerable will still be rightly nervous, and somewhat frustrated at being increasingly ignored. However, recovering capacity in health infrastructure and improved treatments will be encouraging for these people, with an increasing volume of recovery stories. Trump will be re-elected, as his hard-core supporters turn out in force to celebrate his strong leadership during the crisis, and Biden's campaign becomes lacklustre due to him being dead.

In much of the developing world, death rates will peak a bit later, due to lower rates of international and inter-regional travel, but will be worse due to less effective heath systems and infrastructure. But they will cope better, both emotionally and economically, due to an underlying higher mortality rate and more basic infrastructure disguising the impact somewhat. Population immunity will develop at about the same rate as in developed countries, and widespread testing will be rolled out by WHO, aid organisations and local healthcare systems.

Gradually, over the next 12 months, as death rates stabilise and the number of people who have recovered increases, there will a resumption of almost full normality including international travel. There will be a small economic boom world-wide as people spend more freely (using both government handouts and savings), as they come out of the period of restriction. Notably with older people, who have been hoarding wealth, now realising they need to live more actively. Governments will become concerned about the inflationary effect of their lax monetary policies during the crisis. The stock market will rise and the value of gold will drop like a stone, and not just because Wattie timed his shift into equities perfectly.

Social behaviours and working practices will generally return to normal, with people keen to get together in person again, frustrated by the inadequacies of 'distant socialising', video-conferencing and working from home. There will be no changes to the pay and conditions of 'beloved essential workers' like nurses and checkout clerks, but celebrities, footballers and CEOs will see a 10% rise in their earnings as usual. There will be no change in social attitudes or in care for the plant as almost everybody returns to their old ways. There will be a boom in both recruitment and conference attendance.

The Press will orchestrate a public witch-hunt about the handling of the crisis with the normal phases 3-6 of any incident like this: Hunt for the Guilty, Punish the Innocent and Reward the Uninvolved. Boris will be declared to be the saviour of the nation or public enemy number one, or possibly both.

Over the following years, the disease will remain something of a problem, adding about 2-10% to previous levels of global annual influenza/pneumonia deaths. Although there will be a fairly effective programme of vaccination for the vulnerable, plus a strong level of underlying immunity in the population. Consequently, winter deaths rates in the UK will increase from the previous average of 10,000 to 15,000 people per week to more like 11,000 to 17,000 per week.

After 2-3 years, serious scientific studies of the whole crisis will emerge which will be fairly contradictory, especially when wildly misinterpreted by the scientifically and statistically illiterate Press. We will start to look back on 2020 with embarrassment as we start to feel, rightly or wrongly, that we all got a bit overexcited about the whole thing.
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I believe this to be a more likely future than most that are being postulated on here. Markmas, you should be commended for your down to earth realism and positivity. Possibly with the exception of a reversal in the payrises suggested for footballers and the NHS, let’s hope this is what we get. I believe we all have a role to play in making this the reality rather than the “end of the world” alternative.
 
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Rwc13 said:
Well aren’t the cellphone carriers more likely to know why these contract were cancelled than anybody else? More fun to accept and promote the conspiracy theory though isn’t it?
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H3ll, yeah it is. But you're all missing the point. The lizard people were beamed back aboard the spaceships overnight, arranged by the Masons. Remember, though, Audi, Vide, Tace!
 
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rockits said:
Many of us on here are pretty creative and independent thinkers. I really think this is the key here. I have always been and will always be a creative and independent thinker. As a business we have always tried to be vendor/supplier agnostic and to be independent. This is the only rue way you can have independent thought and opinion.

I am not Labour or Tory per se in this vain. I am a Spurs fan but like to watch good football whoever plays. I guess I am not what most would call a Spurs fan now. I really don't care if they win, lose or draw. I played football fairly competitively from 7 to 23 then retired from competitive football and still play 5 aside now. I kind of despise what football and the business of football has become now because of the huge sums the players are played. They are far from brain surgeons!

I do not like having to make choices or decisions with my hands tied behind my back or say what I think is right rather than what I actually feel. I do understand it is 2020 and there are some concessions to be able to fit into a happy workable society. Yes, I am not always flavour of the month with my wife and/or my children but I do things because I genuinely believe it is the right thing to do. I apply this same logic to most of what I do personally and in business. I cannot work in a conventional full time role in a large business or office for these reasons. I realised this many many years ago.

For the inept, lazy, stupid or just for the people who trust everything they are being told I urge anyone to question things. I was not engaged at school so missed out and it passed me by. When I became involved in the big wide world I became a very large very absorbent sponge. I was engaged and wanted to learn.....so I did....and continue to do so. I am now the kid often at the front now in training sessions with suppliers and manufacturers always hand up asking questions. Why does it do that? Can it do this? What if you had this scenario?

I guess my point is we need to try to get more people to think independently and to have the confidence to questions things. I generally don;t trust anyone out of the box as a rule now. I used to but have learnt to approve things differently. Trust is earned and I allow this to be earned. With some staff in the past I have left myself way open to decide if I can trust someone as quickly as I can. It is like leaving a £10 note somewhere and seeing if they will take it.

Do I trust Apple, Google, FB, Amazon, any Govt, the Russians, the Chinese, the US, the UK? No of course not.....not implicitly. I am learning.

As some are suggesting on her now there is a real danger we have over egged this? This is my worry. Have we done more damage than good? It is always hard when you are balancing life, death and cost in the same sentence. How do you do this? There are so many contradictory forces and so much corruption in our society and the world now is too complex to make simple, quick easy decisions.

I work like many technical people on data/information to suck it all up and make the best informed decision I can. I don;t feel the UK govt have done enough to get that critical data to be be able to make solid, sound, sensible, good decisions. They have been sticking their finger in the air in essence and numerous occasions. Watching Trump last night was comical!

We have no idea really on how many deaths were 100% due to CV. I am not sure if it can be transferred from surfaces or not. At what % strength is it possible or likely a normal reasonably healthy human can catch the virus. We have no really decent reliable informed data which is what we are crying out for to make solid sound informed decisions. When you see thousands on trains jam packed travelling into London 2 inches apart all breathing over each other which haven't we seen huge spikes in infections and deaths if it is so bad? That doesn't make sense to me. Does this mean we will see spikes in infections and deaths? Or have most had it with zero to mild symptoms and we have indeed over egged this and still are.

If it were possible for everyone to be sent a home testing kit and the whole country take a test then feed those results into a website we would know some actual real true reliable facts. Maybe then we could see where we are. Have most had it, have it or not. We are flying blind without decent accurate data otherwise. Surely the focus should be to achieve this. Work smarter not harder. I know this more than most as have often worked harder rather than smarter. I'm still learning!

When you see stuff like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...nterview-tanked-the-markets-and-made-him-26bn

It shows that not all forces are pulling together in the same way or direction. What you see some getting rich directly off the back of people getting poor in such an obvious, extreme and direct ways you have to question what we have allowed to be created. I know we don't live in utopia but sometimes we go a little too far. I am still 100% against shorting stock/equities and the other products around this as it is a clear conflict of interest. I don't care that many finance people earn their living this way. It is morally and fundamentally flawed and the practice should be eradicated from our planet. Earn a living a different way.

Don't get me started on that Trump should never have been allowed to be President as obviously he has massive conflicts of interest. How can he not?
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Totally agree. Testing and analysing all the way, this has to be the biggest of all priorities. To tank the economy, (permanently? and with all the ruined lives that entails) and make people stay at home 'just in case' because we know so little, is the the cruellest of all f-ups
 
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Delmonte said:
Totally agree. Testing and analysing all the way, this has to be the biggest of all priorities. To tank the economy, (permanently? and with all the ruined lives that entails) and make people stay at home 'just in case' because we know so little, is the the cruellest of all f-ups
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Unfortunately, the morons that vote and occupy social meedya will crucify the government if they lift sanctions too early or leave them on for too long. Imagine what would happen if, due to social pressure, they lifted sanctions and the death rate spiked. The same people would decry them for bowing to social pressure instead of leaving the sanctions in place.
 
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lozcb said:
Well until someone comes up with a credible and plausible reason as to why this had come about and what the cure is im sticking to my own preferred method of not catching anything

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BennyD said:
There’s 1.4 billion Chinese so it’s not that much of a percentage of population.
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Agree with that. The Chinese numbers are either woefully understated or the virus isn't causing as much carnage as is being mitigated against. Or somewhere in between. It doesn't all stack up at the moment.

Population = 1.435 billion

Coronavirus Cases: 81,554 = 0.000057% of population
Deaths: 3,312 = 0.0000023% of population
Recovered: 76,238 = 0.000053% of population

Do I have that right?
 
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rockits said:
Agree with that. The Chinese numbers are either woefully understated or the virus isn't causing as much carnage as is being mitigated against. Or somewhere in between. It doesn't all stack up at the moment.

Population = 1.435 billion

Coronavirus Cases: 81,554 = 0.000057% of population
Deaths: 3,312 = 0.0000023% of population
Recovered: 76,238 = 0.000053% of population

Do I have that right?
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Nope move the decimal point two places to the right.
 
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Aint sa much asa silly old fecker now am I :saifi:
 
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