EV and advice from any users please!

[Oneball]

Saw the world's weirdest new EV yesterday

Citroen

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Not that weird in France. It’s a class of vehicle called voitures sans permis, been going in one form or another since the 1940s, no licence needed can be driven from 14 I think. A favourite of farmers wives to pop into town.

 

[Ewan]

The stats don't show why people bought what that did! But certainly, for most, the lower running costs and tax breaks will have been key in their decision to buy an EV.

 

[philw696]

Not that weird in France. It’s a class of vehicle called voitures sans permis, been going in one form or another since the 1940s, no licence needed can be driven from 14 I think. A favourite of farmers wives to pop into town.

Still can't do this with one though

 

[Wack61]

How many of that 17% were sold just because of taxpayer subsidies, through either limited company offsetting against profit, or private buyers using salary sacrifice schemes?
Both these ways save about 30-40% of the true lease cost compared to ICE.

Im going with between 12-15% of the 17% subsidised, so probably a maximum of 5%, probably less, being bought at ‘full’ lease cost by a private individual. I’m guessing but it would be interesting to see the figures.

A Lot of those will be motability cars now EVs are available with no up front payment

Many Ice motability cars seem to have under 10k on them when they go through the auctions at 3 years old so an EV that hardly ever eaves the town is the perfect car to have on motability

 

[safrane]

A Lot of those will be motability cars now EVs are available with no up front payment

Many Ice motability cars seem to have under 10k on them when they go through the auctions at 3 years old so an EV that hardly ever eaves the town is the perfect car to have on motability

I remember Mobility Wednesdays at BCA Preston, was shocked at the low miles 3 door hatchbacks being sold with 7 or 8k on the clocks at 3 years. That was back in the 90s.

Rather like my milage these days!

 

[DLax69]

How many people are eligible for/covered by Motability...?

 

[Wack61]

How many people are eligible for/covered by Motability...?

A lot, for instance my sister has a volvo xc40 to transport her mildly autistic son about for his personal independence, he could run 10 miles easily so it's not about physical disability.

she paid £3000 extra for the volvo but the 3 years is up soon so she'll be getting one of the EVs as they £0 extra payment and as near as free to run as they pay everything apart from fuel servicing, tyres, insurance, you just lose part of the monthly pip payment in lieu of a car.

 

[Wack61]

When I had a proper job I had a light haulage business, my last vehicle was a ducato chassis cab with a dropside body

I was just reading about the new e ducato so had a look on their website

An extra long wheelbase 4250kg chassis cab with the big battery and some extras, passenger airbags, tpms, comfy seat comes out at £75,000 + vat before they put a body on it

So realistically £95,000 Inc vat & a body, this is the chassis motorhome builders are expected to use because they're upping the 3.5t to 4.25t on a car licence so it actually has a payload

I'd think by the time it's a motorhome it'll be circa £160k

 

[mjheathcote]

3.5t to 4.25t is interesting.
My last employer had an Izuzu pickup but after the pickup body was added, the payload after a full tank of diesel was only 800kg.
The problem being that the Izuzu was rated at 5t in Asian markets so wasn't that light. So with our 3.5t limits there wasn't much payload left.
Add a load of heavy batteries for a commercial EV truck.....
You have to then ask the impact on our roads and bridges with the additional weight.

 

[DLax69]

A lot, for instance my sister has a volvo xc40 to transport her mildly autistic son about for his personal independence, he could run 10 miles easily so it's not about physical disability.

she paid £3000 extra for the volvo but the 3 years is up soon so she'll be getting one of the EVs as they £0 extra payment and as near as free to run as they pay everything apart from fuel servicing, tyres, insurance, you just lose part of the monthly pip payment in lieu of a car.

Got it. I have a 20-something with Down and there's nothing like that here (that I'm aware of)...

 

[Wack61]

3.5t to 4.25t is interesting.
My last employer had an Izuzu pickup but after the pickup body was added, the payload after a full tank of diesel was only 800kg.
The problem being that the Izuzu was rated at 5t in Asian markets so wasn't that light. So with our 3.5t limits there wasn't much payload left.
Add a load of heavy batteries for a commercial EV truck.....
You have to then ask the impact on our roads and bridges with the additional weight.

Just as an example of how nuts prices are today

2001 I imported a new transit pickup with AC from Belgium, it was £12k + vat

2008 I bought a new Iveco Daily 3.0 pickup in the UK for £14,000 + vat

Today a diesel Peugeot boxer chassis is 32k + vat without a body so 35k + vat, the e boxer is 59k + vat again without a body

How is anyone supposed to run a business from 2030 if the only option for a van costs 60k

 

[DLax69]

Just as an example of how nuts prices are today

2001 I imported a new transit pickup with AC from Belgium, it was £12k + vat

2008 I bought a new Iveco Daily 3.0 pickup in the UK for £14,000 + vat

Today a diesel Peugeot boxer chassis is 32k + vat without a body so 35k + vat, the e boxer is 59k + vat again without a body

How is anyone supposed to run a business from 2030 if the only option for a van costs 60k
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Yes...even a work pickup truck runs that, here...

 

[Wack61]

Just saw this

The new hummer EV has a 250kwh battery, the guy only has the 120v charger it came with, time to a full charge, 5 days, it adds 1 mile per hour

It'll probably do 60 in 4 seconds but you'll have to wait 3 days before you can do it again

The new superfast chargers in the UK charge 68p per kwh so circa £170 to charge it, if big batteries are the future

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[philw696]

Still not selling it to me

 

[mowlas]

One of the challenges with EV’s is that the government appears to be missing its charge point target by a lot, with the opposition claiming it is now ‘20 years behind schedule’. There is now one for every 30 EVs compared with 16 at the start of 2020.

As reported in the Times this morning…

 

[Felonious Crud]

[Thread moved to Forum chat because it's a car topic. As Maserati plans to make EVs it would be especially curmudgeonly to disregard all EVs as the work of some satanic snowflake conspiracy.]

 

[Felonious Crud]

Meanwhile, up north:

 

[safrane]

How many public charging points are there in the UK?
Zap-Stats – December 2022

• 22,049 LOCATIONS

• 37,261 DEVICES

• 61, 487 CONNECTORS

• 923 - INSTALLED LAST MONTH

At the end of December 2022, there were 37261 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 22049 charging locations. This represents a 31% increase in the total number of charging devices since December 2021.

Last month, 923 new EV charging devices were added to the Zap-Map database.

These figures show how many electric charging points in the UK there are that are part of the country’s public EV charging infrastructure. However, they do not include the many charge points installed at home or at workplace locations, which are estimated to be more than 400,000. Some of these EV charging points are available to the public in some form via community or visitor charging.

 

[mowlas]

Private installations are all well and good if you have access to them.

The problem is the lessening ratio of public charging points to cars. The government has set a target of 300,000 public charging points to be reached by 2030 to keep in line with its own EV targets and targets imposed for vehicle manufacturers. At the moment, we are trending way off that goal.

 

[safrane]

I agree, but as range has doubled over the last 3 years, the issue is not as large as it could have been.