Alfa 4C UK price - 45k

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I take it you have driven the 24 valve, I know cars were lighter back then how are they so different?


Yup, 2.5L 12v in the GTV6, 3.0L 12v in the 164 and the 3.0L 24v in the 166. Obviously the 3.0L 24v had the highest output and sounded like a demon at 7,000 rpm but the 12 valves were utterly creamy. The head design was different: single camshaft on the inlet side with rockers working the exhaust side, I don't know if this is what made the difference but whatever did it they oozed smoothness.
 

alfawestlancashire

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£45k, taking on the Cayman and Evora, i think it is dead before it's born i'm afraid; i just can't see people paying 45k for an Alfa. It looks fantastic but will it have the quality to match its rivals. The Evora has hardly sold well and Lotus are more established than Alfa in the sports car field, i hope the 4C is a success but time will tell.

Lotus are more established than Alfa in the sports car field !. Lotus were making cars in a shed some where, when alfa was winning grand prix`s. and on that note most formula 1 cars are not much more than a 1.7 all be it they are v`s, but the 4c is supposed to be so light and the looks of a goddess i think they will be banging on the doors for them.
 

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Lotus are more established than Alfa in the sports car field !. Lotus were making cars in a shed some where, when alfa was winning grand prix`s. and on that note most formula 1 cars are not much more than a 1.7 all be it they are v`s, but the 4c is supposed to be so light and the looks of a goddess i think they will be banging on the doors for them.

Agree on the Lotus thing......but don't forget Lotus were revolutionary in F1 and motor racing also ant the masters of light weight..............Looks of a goddess....yes but one with too much eye liner on.......They have still spoilt the 4C with the terrible lights.......
 

alfawestlancashire

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F1 cars have limited engine sizes by the rule book, to keep power down.

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Correct f1 spec for engines. Formula One engines may be no more than 2.4 litres in capacity. They must have eight cylinders in a 90-degree formation, with two inlet and two exhaust valves per cylinder. They must be normally aspirated, weigh at least 95 kilograms and be rev-limited to 18,000rpm.

The only other permitted power source is a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which takes waste energy generated under braking and turns it into additional power. This is then made available to the driver in fixed quantities per lap via a steering wheel-mounted boost button.

Turbochargers, superchargers and devices designed to pre-cool air before it enters the engine's cylinders are not allowed. Nor is the injection of any substance into the cylinders other than air and fuel. Variable-geometry inlet and exhaust systems are also forbidden, as is variable valve timing. Each cylinder may have just one fuel injector and ignition must be by a single spark plug.

4c spec as i said it only weighs 850kg , Category: two seater coupé;
Chassis: carbon fibre structure, front and rear aluminium crash boxes, hybrid rear structure (steel and aluminium);
Weight: less than 850 kg;
Dimensions: length approximately 4 metres, wheelbase less than 2.4 metres;
Drive: rear;
Engine: 4 cylinder, 1750cc Turbopetrol;
Gearbox: TCT (Twin Clutch Transmission), automatic transmission with twin dry clutch;
Suspension: high double wishbone at the front; McPherson at the rear;
Power: over 200 HP;
Top speed: over 250 km/h;
0-62mph : 4.5 sec
Sounds good to me for £45,000
+ Lotus evora is slower even though its 3.5 ltre by nearly 1sec. ithink they have got it in the right price bracket at £45,000 check on autotrader for new coupe between £40-50 grand and see wot choice you`ve got, no brainer really.
 
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What's this persistence with Ferrari and AR only stating weights dry when everyone else includes fluids and they are quite useful when you are driving?
 

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The 2.4 JTD engine has had loads of issues with coking up, which eventually blocks the internal fans and filtration to the point where the engine just will not run. There is an unnoficial modification which can be done which cures this, then they run great.
 

Andyk

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Correct f1 spec for engines. Formula One engines may be no more than 2.4 litres in capacity. They must have eight cylinders in a 90-degree formation, with two inlet and two exhaust valves per cylinder. They must be normally aspirated, weigh at least 95 kilograms and be rev-limited to 18,000rpm.

The only other permitted power source is a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), which takes waste energy generated under braking and turns it into additional power. This is then made available to the driver in fixed quantities per lap via a steering wheel-mounted boost button.

Turbochargers, superchargers and devices designed to pre-cool air before it enters the engine's cylinders are not allowed. Nor is the injection of any substance into the cylinders other than air and fuel. Variable-geometry inlet and exhaust systems are also forbidden, as is variable valve timing. Each cylinder may have just one fuel injector and ignition must be by a single spark plug.

4c spec as i said it only weighs 850kg , Category: two seater coupé;
Chassis: carbon fibre structure, front and rear aluminium crash boxes, hybrid rear structure (steel and aluminium);
Weight: less than 850 kg;
Dimensions: length approximately 4 metres, wheelbase less than 2.4 metres;
Drive: rear;
Engine: 4 cylinder, 1750cc Turbopetrol;
Gearbox: TCT (Twin Clutch Transmission), automatic transmission with twin dry clutch;
Suspension: high double wishbone at the front; McPherson at the rear;
Power: over 200 HP;
Top speed: over 250 km/h;
0-62mph : 4.5 sec
Sounds good to me for £45,000
+ Lotus evora is slower even though its 3.5 ltre by nearly 1sec. ithink they have got it in the right price bracket at £45,000 check on autotrader for new coupe between £40-50 grand and see wot choice you`ve got, no brainer really.

Alway thought Evora was 0-60 in 4.8 secs and the Evora S is 4.3.....

The problem is that the car is being billed as a Cayman/Lotus rival....because of its nature its more Elise than Cayman and this is a very limited market......Look don't get me wrong I think the car looks brilliant (apart from the max power lights) and I hope if does really well so that Alfa makes money to put into development of a proper rear drive 3 series rival.......Alfa should be rear drive that the current front drive tosh they are churning out. Give us a proper Alfa with a proper engine.........I loved my V6 GTV's but the car was still crying out for rear wheel drive as it's handling was just too safe.
 

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Alway thought Evora was 0-60 in 4.8 secs and the Evora S is 4.3.....

The problem is that the car is being billed as a Cayman/Lotus rival....because of its nature its more Elise than Cayman and this is a very limited market......Look don't get me wrong I think the car looks brilliant (apart from the max power lights) and I hope if does really well so that Alfa makes money to put into development of a proper rear drive 3 series rival.......Alfa should be rear drive that the current front drive tosh they are churning out. Give us a proper Alfa with a proper engine.........I loved my V6 GTV's but the car was still crying out for rear wheel drive as it's handling was just too safe.

I think you will find as alfa west lancashire quoted the 4c is rear wheel drive, and the Evora is just over 5 sec, and there is a forum somewere about alfa 7 year plan for competition for the BMW, Mercedes, Audi. if i find it i will post it.
 

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Found it. it was actually on alfa west lancashire facebook page.
Alfa`s last chance at turn around, THE PLAN

So this what they are saying will be happening.......

Sept 2013 4C...

50 cars have be sold so far from the launch edition - They are expecting bigger sales one the 'normal' car is released.
Late 2013 Mito facelift

Mild revisions to trim and spec

Late 2013 Giulietta

Mild revision to trim and spec

2014 new SUV

Aimed at Audi Q5 and BMW X3. A varient of the platform developed for the Dodge Dart Saloon. The tall body version is already in use in the new Jeep Cherokee.

2014 4C Spider

Alfa plans to give the 4C range a boost with an open top Spider version featuring a lift off roof panel.

2015 Giulia Saloon

The Giullia will be aimed at the BMW 3 series and its success holds the key to Alfas revival. The current plan is to bsae it on the long wheelsbase version of the Giuletta platform, but rumours persist that it could be delayed yet again and built on a new smaller version of the rear driver Maserati Ghibli platform.

2015 Spider

The platform twin of Mazda's new MX5.

2015 Alfetta

A reskin of the Maserati Ghibli, the rear drive Alfetta saloon will go head to head with the lower portions of the BMW 5 series exectutive class leaving the Ghibli to compete with the pricier models.

2016 New Mito

Alfa managers expect the Mito to be replaced, mainly because this sector is booming. However it could be replaced by a compact SUV a sister car ro Fiat 500x and new baby jeep

So what are your opinions.:thumb1:
 

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I think you will find as alfa west lancashire quoted the 4c is rear wheel drive, and the Evora is just over 5 sec, and there is a forum somewere about alfa 7 year plan for competition for the BMW, Mercedes, Audi. if i find it i will post it.

Yes 4C is rear wheel drive...Never said it wasn't....Need the rest of the range to go that way now.

Lotus quotes 0-60 in 4.8 sec for standard car and 4.4 for the S version o the Evora.........

I hope Alfas plans work.....I have had 5 of them in my time and loved everyone of them....Ah no no true...The 156 Sportwagon selespeed was a pile of poo....
 
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That famous 156 you bought....i think its avoiding selespeed on old cars....i look for less ech when buying older cars as they go wrong, you were unlucky with that though as it had low miles
 

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Looks alike a plan.......but as ever other events may well change or curtail, good to see petrol still being in plentiful supply in 4/5 years time too.....;)


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