Energy crisis

2b1ask1

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My new house that we are moving into in November has an electric boiler. We are not on the gas, or the sewage for that matter. Are we fooked? What is the best company or tariff to be on now that the world has go mad ?

I'd be talking to 'Dan' of this parish about getting an air source heat pump in there sharpish when you move in!
 

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Tallman

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We've had an energy crisis since 2008, on an off. No maintenance and no investment in new electricity plants means when the load is too large, we go into "loadshedding" mode, i.e. according to a schedule you get switched off for 2-4 hours depending on the region you are in. So I moved to solar panels & battery back-up & 100% LED lighting when I renovated my house. In summer I generate nearly as much as I use from 20x250w panels = 5KWh (you now get 450w panels for the same price..). Also I don't have loadshedding....I know we have a lot more sun, but you don't need direct sunlight to start generating. Most houses here have also moved to solar geysers and gas stoves to bring down the electricity use. I have friends/family in Northern Europe who have installed either small wind mills or solar panels, its not a big deal and prices for solar have come down a lot.

A few years ago we had a water crisis, now dug a well, installed a pump and 2x1000L tanks and installed a ring of taps around the garden, so we don't need any tap water for the garden in summer. These crises are the start of many to come, either due to corruption (here), bad management (most places except Germany I guess ;)), Brexit, Climate change and new things/problems we haven't thought about yet. So one way or another we will have to start converting from our usual energy/water sources to alternative sources as well as finding ways to use less of all of them, through use of more efficient appliances/technologies and through changing our behaviour (which actually is not that difficult). We also need to cut down on system/infrastructure wastage, for example leaking water mains etc. converting to LED etc. There is a lot we can do, we just need to do it.
 
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No.2 son (29) recently took up an internal transfer (accountant) with his employer to Munich
Here is a transcript of one of his texts (should be in the Rant thread)

So most banks charge monthly fees whilst UK is generally free except for high worth.
Cash withdrawals are chargeable unless you withdraw from your own bank or group of banks.
Paying with debit cards is usually difficult and sometimes not allowed.
You have to use a Giro card that is worthless as far as I can tell,
Greece Italy Spain and Portugal economies are so ruined and in so much debt that it is incredibly difficult to see how the EU has so much strength. There has to be strings being pulled.
You would only invest in German industry nothing else
You would invest in UK or US every time without fail
Tin Hat on now it is all a conspiracy
 

MarkMas

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So most banks charge monthly fees whilst UK is generally free except for high worth.
Cash withdrawals are chargeable unless you withdraw from your own bank or group of banks.
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One of the massive mistakes for both banks and consumers in the UK was to create a culture of 'free retail banking'.

Banks (in the 1970s): "We can offer free banking, as we can skim money from high interest rates", Consumers: "Banking should be free" and "It's my money so I shouldn't be charged for getting it".

Firstly, running a bank and a network of ATMs is obviously quite expensive to do (an ATM costs £200k to buy and install, and £20k a year to maintain), so it has to be paid for somehow. And secondly, UK banks inevitably provide terrible service to ordinary customers as they lose loads of money on them. And also, the banks need to get money by gouging the poorest people through overdraft charges etc.

If we were used to paying £10 - £30 per month for banking services (like broadband, phones, TV, etc) we might be able to expect decent products & services.
 

CatmanV2

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If we were used to paying £10 - £30 per month for banking services

Like (perhaps) many on here I did this for a while. Then I got tripped into the free tier. And the service (such as it is when I need it) has been excellent. I agree wholeheartedly. We have a culture in the UK of buying many things predominantly on price.

You only have to look at those that pay for (example) broadband at the lowest price and then complain about customer support. Customer support teams are bloody expensive!

C
 

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Something to look forward too is the UK is joining the Space Race
Can't wait to Bojo dressed up as a Space Man.
 

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My new house that we are moving into in November has an electric boiler. We are not on the gas, or the sewage for that matter. Are we fooked? What is the best company or tariff to be on now that the world has go mad ?
Massively fooked. I know someone with 4 bed, 3 storey with 2 electric boilers and hot water cylinder. Electric bill is mahoosive even of economy10. Granted it is an old house but is terraced. We had Rointe electric radiators when we moved in and spent £800 in 3 months Jan to Mar and we minimised use as the meter was spinning out of control.
 

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My new house that we are moving into in November has an electric boiler. We are not on the gas, or the sewage for that matter. Are we fooked? What is the best company or tariff to be on now that the world has go mad ?

Burn the poo, problem solved.
 

MaserMike

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Massively fooked. I know someone with 4 bed, 3 storey with 2 electric boilers and hot water cylinder. Electric bill is mahoosive even of economy10. Granted it is an old house but is terraced. We had Rointe electric radiators when we moved in and spent £800 in 3 months Jan to Mar and we minimised use as the meter was spinning out of control.

May want to consider doing a bit of a hybrid mix for heating & hot water….

I live in a old big property (6x bathrooms & 5x bedrooms), we had ‘Stiebel Eltron’ hybrid electric infrared + convector heaters for all bedrooms, kitchen etc. fitted with individual timers on each 11years ago, plus a 2x 3kw element immersion power flow hot water cylinder, 2x coal/wood burning stoves and 1x has part radiators with a hw heat-exchanger fitted, plus 2kw solar panel array fitted. In the depths of winter would cost around £150 -£200 max per month to heat (coal,wood,elect). In summer entire house electric including lights, cookers, immersion, TVs, kids, computers etc. £65 ish per month… we also just had an oil boiler fitted for convenience to complement all of the above….

No mains gas in village.
 

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Just queued for an hour and a half to get £35. worth of diesel :mad:
Need to do it all over again tomorrow to get enough to get us to the lakes.
 

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May want to consider doing a bit of a hybrid mix for heating & hot water….

I live in a old big property (6x bathrooms & 5x bedrooms), we had ‘Stiebel Eltron’ hybrid electric infrared + convector heaters for all bedrooms, kitchen etc. fitted with individual timers on each 11years ago, plus a 2x 3kw element immersion power flow hot water cylinder, 2x coal/wood burning stoves and 1x has part radiators with a hw heat-exchanger fitted, plus 2kw solar panel array fitted. In the depths of winter would cost around £150 -£200 max per month to heat (coal,wood,elect). In summer entire house electric including lights, cookers, immersion, TVs, kids, computers etc. £65 ish per month… we also just had an oil boiler fitted for convenience to complement all of the above….

No mains gas in village.
What do you think is the roi on the install?
Eb