Rules regarding road runs

[duncscot]

Hi guys, I'm currently looking at organising some informal road runs within my classic car club.... but when I mentioned it. There are a few members that poo poo'd it by saying you need to get a MSA exemption (so that the organiser does'nt get sued if someone has a crash or similar). So I just wondered if the Sport Maserati moderators can shed any light on this!!!

 

[safrane]

I have arranged at least 8 trips...never once has this caused a problem...we all have insurence to drive on the road

 

[Marc777]

My previous car was a 66 Mustang and it would be telling if i said what their road runs were like .....

No doubt some H&S and insurance watchdogs will poo poo it. Bad luck. Hope you get the answer you were looking for here!

Marc

 

[duncscot]

I have arranged at least 8 trips...never once has this caused a problem...we all have insurence to drive on the road

So did you arrange your road trips through a club? Or was it through the likes of this on-line forum? There seems to be some kind of argument about if things are advertised as "Club" events, or just a group of people in the same marque cars having a "jolly" to somewhere

 

[marcos]

The Lotus forum I'm on, SELOC is fairly insistent that any run organised has an MSA permit. A bunch of chaps driving to a pub in similar brands of cars doesn't seem to warrant it IMHO, as long as everyone behaves and there is no 'racing' and the people you're out with a trustworthy, I can't see the harm. The club may insist though if it's registered with the MSA.

I set up an event on there to see if anyone wanted to come to Brooklands and got this message from the club:

As a Club Supporter of SELOC, you can (and are urged to) benefit from the insurance cover available to event organisers under the Motor Sports Association (MSA) membership which SELOC enjoys.
Understand that if you do not successfully apply for this cover you take full responsibility for this event and if any issues occur you could be personally liable, as the organiser, for the actions of the attendees.

So that's the crux. An @rse covering exercise!

 

[BennyD]

I have never considered this in the past and almost certainly wont consider it in the future. Have fun don't f*ck up. As you rightly say Lewis it does sound like an 4rse covering exercise.

 

[Andyk]

I have organised a few runs in my time and never worried about MSA permits.......It has always beena case of 'don't act like a pratt'...........I think it's about the amount of cars you have on your run...after a certain number you are suppose to have a permit.

 

[BennyD]

There are over 50 super cars invading central Manchester today. I will ask, but I very much doubt they will have a permit. I may be wrong, but, for what it's worth, I will let you know. Should be a good one!

 

[ZAM400209]

I know you need "track" insurance should you want to go round a circuit, but I can't see how standard individual insurance wouldn't be enough to cover individuals in a public-road situation...?!

 

[k99]

Most insurance policies have some motor racing and road racing exlusions. If you had to claim and the Ins company found out you were on a "road run" - they would probably be looking to wriggle out by claiming you were racing.
So be careful where and for how long you press the loud pedal!!
Have fun.
Regards
Ken

 

[Dan!]

As with all insurance, it's all b0ll0x until you need it.

I've done a fair few runs over the years and can honestly say I've witnessed some horrific driving. Boys and their toys get over exited and do silly things.
I have also been on a run where a young lad in Lotus lost it coming off a roundabout (only had the car a few weeks, had a pug 106 before...). Whilst we weren't hanging about, the group were driving well within their limit of ability but clearly above this poor chap's. Fortunately, the run organiser had MSA approval and I heard nothing more about it.

As a participant it wouldn't bother me if there was MSA insurance or not, as an organiser I would want to have it for my own peace of mind. We all like to think that we all "know" each other and can trust one another to be responsible for their own actions, but I guarantee things change very quickly when metal gets bent!

 

[conaero]

Very true Dan, I remember the Xmas doo, particularly myself and Benny D, and we were both driving like nobs to be honest, like you say, you get carried away with the occasion....of course you remember it, you were in the convoy!!!!

Round the town roads I remember is was all quite safe, just alot of revving of those Larinis, but on the motorway we were being very naughty with our spirited fly by's of each other!!!

 

[SimonM]

Hi guys, I'm currently looking at organising some informal road runs within my classic car club.... but when I mentioned it. There are a few members that poo poo'd it by saying you need to get a MSA exemption (so that the organiser does'nt get sued if someone has a crash or similar). So I just wondered if the Sport Maserati moderators can shed any light on this!!!

I've seen a few "disclaimers" used on Pistonheads runs (sorry no link to hand) and I know the issue has been discussed at length on there.....

anyway, what club you part of duncsot?

 

[Parisien]

Not a great idea.........just last weekend we had the NW200 motorcycle road races........plus another...plus they can still close roads for local rally events......not sure how it all works!


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[Pibbow]

Tear off the rear view mirror throw it at the driver behind you and shout out last one there is a Big girl................


No?

 

[Emtee]

Am I right to think that MSA is for events arranged under the banner of, and with the agreement of, an affiliated club or forum, and that PLI is for those events that are not and are therefore arranged by an independent person putting him or herself in a position of liability?

I have been given to understand that there are relatively generic forms available that are legally binding once signed that are designed to back up a 'gentleman's agreement' for events like road runs. Might be worth pursuing?

 

[duncscot]

I've seen a few "disclaimers" used on Pistonheads runs (sorry no link to hand) and I know the issue has been discussed at length on there.....

anyway, what club you part of duncsot?

The classic club Im with is the Reliant Sabre & Scimitars owners club, and they are affiliated to the MSA.... so Ive been told that I can get a waiver through the club. As others have said, you might know the people on a run... but lets face it, when out with friends we all like to show off a bit. So Im probably better off protecting myself by getting something from my club.